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Reading the ten commandments and obeying Gods law is not that simple but it is the way to HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM...and this is possible only through JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOR. I am no perfect being but I love to learn more. I was baptised as a methodist and after my parents divorced I was brought up as a catholic, when I got married I became a pentecostal and Ive been to so many other denominations...I admire how many people know so much about the bible and Ive got the passion to read more and know more.

Reading the bible it tells us so many times about obeying Gods law...to gain strength and not to be afraid. It may sound simple but its not. I wonder how can we achieve...what bothers me much is the Sabbath and I know there r many of us who know the truth about the sabbath but because of our origins we respect our culture more then we respect this one simple command.

Being a christian and knowing that sunday is to worship Jesus because it was the day of His resurrection thats fine...isnt it just sensible to also keep the sabbath holy since this was one of Gods commands ?

Following nine of His commands and leaving out sabbath-would that entitle you to eternal life ?

THIS TOPIC IS NOT TO BE ARGUED ABOUT BUT ONLY TO SHARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

VINAKA

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Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life,no man cometh unto the Father but by me"

Jesus... He is the only way to the Father and life eternal.

ok...but the question is regarding the ten commandments...wat is your answer to that ?

 

Anamaria....the Ten Commandments was a set of Moral Code given to Moses by the Mighty God to be use as tool to guide them from Egypt through the Wilderness to the Promise Land.The modern equivalent  is Love as mentioned in the Bible...God the Creator gave his only son Jesus Christ to die on the Cross."God so love the World that He gave His Son that all believers may live for ever.All human beings are created equal in God's eyes.So the message is...Love conquers all and it is a Christian duty to promote the message of Love throughout the Universe.No Prejudice,only Peace and Unity for All.

@Kuna,

Mark 12:28-31 =  28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

I dont know if you know this or not, The 10 commanments are based on LOVE,. The First half is Your LOVE towards God, and the second half is Your Love towards Man.

In Mark 12:28-31, Jesus was refering to the 10-commandments. And the 10 commandments is not meant just for the Isrealites journey from Egypt to Canaan, because there is no proof to say so.
Can give me a text in the Bible which says that Gods Commanments is now void?

 

many people says that, we are saved by Grace,...thats true!!...BUT, you must understand that GRACE and God's LAW goes together hand in hand. You cannot just take one and reject the other.

heres an example:

...I am saved through Grace, and because of that i will give thanks to GOD by obeying/keeping his LAW(The 10 commandments)...
Im not keeping God's Law so that i can be saved, NO!!,..im obeying God's Law because he has saved me....

vinaka

Kuna I think JTs explanation is means alot...I think the 10 commandments should always be obeyed coz even Jesus mentioned tht...but to obey the commandments we can only achieve tht thru Jesus Christ our Savior.

vinaka

ANAMARIA..lets not bogged down too much on the Ten Commandments.Moses,Jesus,Mohammed,Buddh Krishna  and others are Messengers of God and what's important are the Manifestations .God is Love..Love is God.God created us in His own image and through His Love we are saved.From Genesis to Revelation[Holy Bible] and other Holy Books contain the same message...LOVE and it is Unique in all religions of the World that there is a Supreme Being[GOD].As for all of us in our Spiritual Being we should give our Heart and Soul to God and Praise Him for His Love so Divine and Pure.

@Kuna..your PERFECT EXAMPLE...

Jesus Christ said,...If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love” John 15:10. Christ made this comment to the disciples the night before His death.

He kept the Father’s commandments. Jesus Christ’s entire life is a stunning example of obedience to the Fifth Commandment. He obeyed God the Father implicitly. He also obeyed His human parents. This obedience produced the greatest blessing for all mankind—our Savior.

Referring to Christ’s childhood, Luke records, “And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him” (Luke 2:40). Because of obedience, Jesus Christ grew in wisdom and spiritual strength....THE LOVE IS KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS...you dont have to if you dont want..choice is yours.

 

THE NEW COMMANDMENT

  

The new commandment refers to Christ’s command for Christians to love each other. The phrase “new commandment” occurs four times in the New Testament, all in the writings of John (John 13:34; 1 John 2:7 and 8; 2 John 1:5). Initially, it was a command given by Jesus to his disciples on the night of his arrest: “I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other” (John 13:34). The same command occurs elsewhere, including Romans 13:8 and 1 Peter 1:22, but is not called “new” in those passages.

 

LOVE AS A COMMANDMENT

Jesus had already commanded his disciples to love their enemies (Matthew 5:43-45) and to love their neighbours as themselves (Luke 10:25-37). The “new commandment” demanded that Christians love each other. In no sense did it overrule the other two love commands. Jesus’ command to love those within the church was intended to produce a compelling testimony to those outside the church. It would offer them demonstrable proof that:

 

1. His followers were Christlike in their love toward one another

2. The basis for vital human community could be found “in Christ”

3. What Jesus said about himself and his work was really true (John 13:35)

 

Jesus chose the word used to describe the Old Testament law, giving similar authority to his new commandment. In fact, the law included commands to love (Deuteronomy 10:19). The apostle Paul thought of love as the “law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2), and James called the love command “the royal law” (James 2:8) and “the perfect law of liberty.”

 

The word “commandment” had another meaning as well. Many Jews in Jesus’ day wrongly supposed that the commandments were given in order that men, by obeying them, could show themselves worthy of God’s blessing (Romans 8:3; Galatians 3:2). Jesus made it clear, however, that love was a natural result of God’s blessing, not a necessary condition for it. For Jesus, the commandment expressed how one who is already living in the joy of God’s blessing should act. Disciples were commanded to love in the same sense that branches were “commanded” to bear fruit: the branch by abiding in the vine, the Christian by abiding in Christ (John 15:4).

 

WHAT MADE IT NEW?

The character of the new commandment comes from the “new covenant” (Luke 22:20), which Jesus inaugurated at the Last Supper. Under the new covenant, God “writes” his law on the hearts of believers (Hebrews 10:16). That means he actively works in them in the person of the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:3), and gives them a new willingness to obey him. The new commandment of love is the all-embracing, single requirement of the new covenant (Galatians 5:14-16). Obedience, therefore, is a gift, because “love is from God; and every one who loves is born of God” (1 John 4:7, NASB). It is the fruit of faith (1 John 3:23) and part of the gospel itself (4:11).

The close relationship between the new covenant and the new commandment may explain partly why the command to love was called “new.” Christ’s incarnation inaugurated a new age. “The darkness is disappearing,” John wrote, “and the true light is already shining” (1 John 2:8). Anticipating his ascension into heaven, Jesus left one inclusive commandment to preserve his disciples in the new age until its consummation at the Judgment Day (John 5:28-29). Obedience to the new commandment was supposed to identify them as Jesus’ disciples during his absence (John 13:35; John 17:21-23). The love command was thus new in the sense that it had a special function in the new age.

 

What made the age new was that Jesus Christ’s coming had revealed God the Father with an unprecedented and incomparable clarity (John 1:18; 10:30; 17:6-8). No prophet had ever been able to say, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (14:9, NIV). Therefore Jesus’ demand that the disciples love each other “as I have loved you” (13:34) was, by every human standard, new and astonishing. No human had ever loved perfectly like Jesus (John 13:1). To follow his example of love, then, was a new commandment. The greatness of Jesus’ love moved him to “lay down his life for his friends” (15:13, NIV). Accordingly, John drew the conclusion that “we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers” (1 John 3:16, NIV). It follows that love means never shutting one’s heart against another Christian in need (3:17), but rather rejoicing to make a sacrifice for someone else.

 

 

 

Bula Anamaria,

 

The 10 commandment is not a " condition" but a " confirmation" that we are loved and we can have a relationship with God.

 

" If you love me, keep my commandments " and " For the wages of SIN is Death "...not SINS but SIN...if you are obeying 9 commandments and is left out with 1...the penalty is DEATH. If you are obeying all other 9 and is not keeping the 4th Commandment which is God's True Sabbath Day ..."Au na vakatakilakila-taki ira ga na noqu tamata ena noqu Siga Tabu "....then, death will be your end result. To show God that you do love Him...we should all keep & obey his 10 commandments. Appearing in the Heavenly Tribunal on your Judgement Day ( which has already started in 1844)and we do not know when will be your case will be called for .....THE RULER BOOK WILL BE GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS...

Thanks !

 

The Perilous Nature of Sin

Some people scoff at the concept of sin by defining it as a prohibition against fun made by the few who hate it against the many who enjoy it. In a way, this was the original lie that the serpent told Eve. He suggested that God was withholding things from her that she truly needed and would benefit from (Gen. 3:4, 5).

But Scripture presents sin as anything but fun or beneficial. Sin has devastating consequences of which we need to be aware. As the Book of Romans points out, sin enslaves people and demands that they obey its lusts (Rom. 6:6, 12, 20).

Several phrases in the NT help to define the perilous nature of sin:

 

•     To sin is to “fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). People trapped in sin’s tight snare cannot live up to the holy lifestyle that God intended when He created them.

•     “Sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4). It involves living for “me first” rather than for God, being “a law unto oneself.”

•     “All unrighteousness is sin” (1 John 5:17). When we sin, we offend the God who loves justice and righteousness (Rom. 1:18).

•     If we know what is good and yet do not do it, we sin (James 4:17). Thus sin involves conscious disobedience against what is right, even to the point of approving the sin of others (Rom. 1:32).

 

This is a sobering picture, but even more startling is that every human being is a part of this picture. “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10; compare 2 Chr. 6:36; Rom. 5:12). “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23).

Nor is sin limited to a few matters of religion or personal habits. Because God is the sovereign owner of the whole world—its lands, nations, people, and all resources—misuse of any part of the creation means sinning against Him. We are accountable for every dimension of life. Nothing is really “secular” in the sense of being outside His concern.[1]

 



[1]Radmacher, E. D., Allen, R. B., & House, H. W. (1999). Nelson's new illustrated Bible commentary (Ro 6:6). Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.

 

 

Walk to church on the Sabbath -

Travel by Bus (Pay the driver your bus fare) on the Sabbath -

Even Drive to Church on the Sabbath -

 

Sabbath is the day of rest, God told Moses to tell the people of Israel not to go anywhere on the Sabbath. The experts of the Law Judge Jesus according to this very Law because He actually violate the 4th commandment, by doing something that is very contrary to the Law.

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