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What are your views on gay marriages or same sex marriages...and what are your opinions if Fiji had legalised gay marriages..and what do you think would happen to Fiji if that happened???
My views go with what the Holy Bible says; not on what Human Right demands because most of these rights are based on lusts of the flesh which are sins and abominations in the face of God.
If we were not able to pro create, where the hell will these men get their partners from, defeats the purpose of male and female, funny how these partners tend to be involved intimately, male and male, female and female, they get artficial insemination so either one can re produce then I dont see why we cant live of each other, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
At the heart of all this is REBELLION against God's divine purpose for marriage, relationship and life. Here's an article (it's not mine) that may shed some light on this discussion.
In spite of the disagreements pertaining to male/female relationships within Christianity, perhaps an even bigger concern these days is homosexuality. To what extent should the church accommodate homosexuals who want to get involved? Some churches welcome homosexual couples and even perform “holy union” ceremonies, since most states don’t allow legal gay marriages. Other churches organize protests against homosexuality with a fervour that makes the Salem witch trials seem like a tea party in contrast.
This issue is causing many in the church to re-evaluate long-standing positions. Many denominations are convening to discuss the matter and determine how they wish to respond. Some are dividing based on diverse wishes of its member churches. Other scattered congregations are withdrawing from denominations in order to practice as they wish.
The traditional church stance has been that homosexuality is clearly sinful, and therefore not allowed in a church setting, of all places. The first verse we tend to hear from conservative spokespeople is Leviticus 18:22: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable” (NIV). The newer translations read, “Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin” (NLT). And the consequences of choosing such a lifestyle were spelled out just as clearly: “The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense” (Leviticus 20:13).
In response, some people are quick to point out that Leviticus also contains a number of other “outdated” laws and rules. When was the last time we saw a child stoned to death for swearing at a parent (Leviticus 20:9)? When was the last time you had a priest over to check out the house after a bad case of mildew or to regulate the healing of a nasty skin lesion (Leviticus 13:18-23; 47-59)? Our dietary restrictions aren’t nearly so stringent as they used to be (Leviticus 11). And some say that the prohibition against homosexuality is just as “outdated” as those other Old Testament laws.
Not so, rebuts the conservative element. While a number of things changed as we went from Old Testament law to New Testament grace, the fact that homosexuality remains a no-no continues throughout the New Testament. Two emphatic passages are Romans 1:26-27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
It seems clear enough, say some people, that until homosexuals are willing to “straighten up,” the church cannot in good conscience allow them to fully participate. As with most other issues, of course, the lines are drawn in different places. A number of conservative churches encourage attendance and participation of anyone and everyone, yet will be much more restrictive when it comes to church leadership. Homosexuals will eventually be expected to renounce their lifestyle or at least cease active practice. The same demands would be placed on adulterers, alcoholics, and others who continued to exhibit what the Bible defines as sinful activity.
Other churches place no such restrictions on practicing homosexuals, including them in leadership and even performing official ceremonies to unite them as couples. And yet these churches also feel they conform to biblical teachings.
Their argument is that homosexuality is not merely a personal choice but a predetermined natural design. Just as some people are born with heterosexual biological urges, so they say, others have homosexual passions instead. Even if some of us believe such feelings are genetically incorrect, they must be God-given. And if this large group of people has no choice in the matter, to deny them full participation in the church is wrong. Just as Jesus gave full respect to lepers, women, Samaritans, and other persecuted minorities of His day, so the church needs to reach out in acceptance of the increasingly active homosexual community.
The confusion is likely to continue for a while as both scientists and theologians debate the nature, and even the definition, of homosexuality. Opinions remain strongly divided. It’s easy for those within the church to perceive most homosexuals to be of the “flaming” variety, with promiscuous sexual habits and outrageous lifestyles. But it’s much harder to explain why a heterosexual philanderer who regularly harbours lust in his heart is more welcome in most churches than a loving, committed, monogamous gay couple.
PRIDE IS A PROBLEM—GAY OR STRAIGHT
And in spite of any official church policy, either involving homosexuality or not, it may be that some churches tend to discriminate against homosexuals without realizing it. If we look at the New Testament command against homosexuality in its context, we see a number of other sins listed that the church tends to tolerate much more readily: “Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers—none of these will have a share in the kingdom of God. There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
Many churches sponsor AA meetings to help “drunkards.” They work with abusers and adulterers. And what Sunday morning church service is without its fair share of thieves, greedy people, and swindlers? Yet some churches may tend to place more emphasis on the wrongness of homosexuality above any of these other things.
Even the Old Testament refuses to isolate homosexuality as a sin more or less abominable than any other. The twin cities of gay pride in the Old Testament were Sodom and Gomorrah, and staunch conservatives frequently like to point to their fire-and-brimstone destruction (Genesis 19) to show what God thinks of homosexuality. But again, if we put the story into context and read the rest of the Bible, we may see the account in a different light.
Centuries later, after Israel and Judah had been taken into captivity because of idolatry and other major sins against God, the Lord sent a message to them through Ezekiel the prophet:
“As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, Sodom and her daughters were never as wicked as you and your daughters. Sodom’s sins were pride, laziness, and gluttony, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door. She was proud and did loathsome things, so I wiped her out, as you have seen. . . . In your proud days you held Sodom in contempt. But now your greater wickedness has been exposed to all the world, and you are the one who is scorned” (Ezekiel 16:48-50, 56-57).
Indeed, homosexuality typified by rape, abuse, and perhaps even murder was rampant in Sodom and Gomorrah. And this is how we tend to remember those Old Testament cities. But it wasn’t just the homosexuality that was recalled by Ezekiel but the more basic problems of pride, sloth, and gluttony. And according to God, later generations of those who called themselves by His name were guilty of “greater wickedness.” The gay pride of Sodom and Gomorrah paled in comparison to the spiritual pride of God’s people during Ezekiel’s day. Can Christians today say we’re doing any better?
While believers may legitimately use Scripture to justify a stand against homosexuality, many need to seek a broader and deeper understanding of what the Bible has to say about sin in general. So do those who attempt to chide the church into justifying the blind acceptance of homosexuals regardless of their attitudes, practices, and spiritual condition.
Regardless of the tolerance levels of individuals or church boards, it would seem that at the very least, from a biblical perspective, homosexuality is included in the list of behaviours that should be abandoned by those who wish to pursue greater devotion to God in a church setting. Scripture doesn’t endorse anything-goes homosexual practice within church walls, nor does it justify the other extreme of homophobia.
It is yet to be seen what will happen on a large scale as homosexuality and Christianity continue to intersect. Some churches are certain to maintain the age-old invitation of “come as you are,” but don’t stay as you are. Others will probably become more accepting of homosexuals and will somehow justify it according to Scripture.
Not so many decades ago the church took a hard stance against divorced people in leadership roles. A few still do. Concerned Christians could point to clear biblical passages to remind us that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that any church leader should be the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:2). But as more and more pastors and church leaders got divorced and remarried, gradually the stigma of divorce faded away in many churches. While remaining a tragic statistic in the eyes of most, divorced people eventually found inclusion in the same churches that once excluded them. Will the same be true of homosexuality? We will have to wait and see.
shouldn't we call out a sin by its right name?
Concerned for their eternal destiny, and I suppose that's the same reason you're saying to "pray for their souls". Many of our brothers and sisters are caught with the lie that, "that's the way we are, God made us this way".
OMG Joe Bose I am too lazy to read through your essay ! I am totally disgraced every time someone brought up a simple issue in the Discussion , there comes someone with his biblical thoughts , This is not a time to preach again Joe, No one got a patience to listen and read such long essay what u had just did bro .. It's Happening , Its' done in all our communities , Some of us we faced it at home maybe your brother , sister , mother of even father or else cousin is practicing this lifestyle (homosexual).
We all know it is wrong in our beliefs and our culture , So what we can do now Joe ? Shall we read your essay and you think it will help this people who are in this situation will help them? Hell No ! It is too late bro , It's like a virus now , it's spread so easily and what I thought t my own point of view , Nothing can be done ...It is up to all the individuals they practicing this , They all adults they made their own choices in life .
The biggest problem in here every time we brought up a Discussion to be shared by some of our viewers our members opinions, here comes the preacher preaching about God .
My dearest brother Joe we all baptised when we were young and majority of our Fijians did practice our beliefs since childhood and we still trying to stay in our faith .
I think it is a waste of your lovely time writing this long essay and preach in here because we do our prayers at home and we all still human no one is God , I bet you one of those kinda bible basher people who loves to talk about God all the time , We got no time for this because as I said before Mr. Joe We done our bible verse and prayers at home , I am sorry i'm not against you im just saying .
"Lotu"is within you , Keda bulibuli kece ni Kalou , If they wanted to be "Gay" ,That's there choices .. What we should do , Da lomani ira ga nira bulibuli uasivi ni Kalou .
@ sandy ...are you qau or gay?the question is why it is an issue? the answer is simple because it contradicts the bible or the word of God and it is an abomination to God almighty ...a true christian will always voices out his or her concern towards people who are entangled with this kind a situation.sa sinai tiko o eli...dro rawa vei Jisu.Gb
If we want them to change , it all about to go to them and preach rather than we judging they lifestyle in this forum. We all believe that its immoral and if we love them we should do the right thing. Let God be the judge. Kevaka da lomani ira meda lakovi ira ka wasea na tukutuku vinaka nei Jisu kua nomu vakasama!!!! Sa levu noda vakasama da wasea io sega tiko na caka2 taka!!
@Max im dammm straight , I did so in my reply ..I wrote it in there nice and clear it's against our culture and our beliefs? Isn't that good enough ? Oh Geez we all & we all know it doesn't recognise in Fiji cause of our Christian Beliefs and even in our household ..
To help them ? There is no solution not even to preach to them cause they got no patience. They should just face the consenquences in the last time .
Sega ni dua na qauri or lesbo se sega ni kila ni tabu na vakasalewalewa (homosexual) or drag queens, crossed dress or whatever u call them , they all know dam well ni tabu , What we should do , stop pointing fingers at them ..We just love them as they are just human like u & me ..