DID JESUS REALLY SPEND THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE TOMB?

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Permalink Reply by VL on February 29, 2012 at 1:17pm

@ Duxbury,

Thank you brother. God Bless you. Can you answer the question??????

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Permalink Reply by Nafi on February 29, 2012 at 11:59am

Yes He was...1Peter 3:18-19....For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,the just for the unjust,that he might bring us to God,being put to death in the flesh,but quickened by the Spirit;By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison(Vuravura ni Yalo);Which sometime were disobedient,when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,while the ark was preparing,wherein few,that is,eight souls were saved by water.In John 20:16-17...Jesus saith unto her,Mary,She turned herself,and saith unto him,Rabboni;which is to say Master.Jesus saith unto her,Touch me not;for I am not yet ascended to my Father,and your Father,and to my God,and your God.Na Taro ike ea tu beka mai vei o Jisu...kena i sau mai na Vuravura ni Yalo..In the Book of Mormon...Alma 40:11-14..Now,concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection-Behold,it has been made known unto me by an angel,that the spirits of all men,as soon as they are departed from this mortal body,yea,the spirits of all men,whether they be good or evil,are taken home to that God who gave them life.And then shall it come to pass,that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness,which is called paradise,a state of rest,a state of peace,where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care,and sorrow.And then shall it come to pass,that the spirits of the wicked,yea,who are evil-for behold,they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord;for behold,they chose evil works rather than good;therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them,and take possession of their house-and these shall be cast out into outer darkness;there shall be weeping,and wailing,and gnashing of teeth,and this because of their own iniquity,being led captive by the will of the devil.Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked,yea,in darkness,and a state of awful,fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them;thus they remain in this state,as well as the righteous in paradise,until the time of their resurrection.....Au vakadinadinataka ni a Mate na Turaga o Jisu Karisito,bulu ka Tucake Tale,mai na Mate....me rawa kina vei keda meda na Tucake Tale ka Veilewai e Matana...ni bera ni da qai taukena e dua na tikina sa vakarautaka tu na Tamada Vakalomalagi me noda ...Sa Malo  

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Permalink Reply by VL on February 29, 2012 at 1:16pm

@ Nafi,

Vinaka vakalevu brother.

How do you explain the apparent contradiction in the scripture as per Matt 12:40; Matt 28:1, and the fact that Christ died on the 14th of Nisan (passover), which is the 6th day of the week, was in the tomb on the Sabbath, and rose up again on the morning of the 1st day of the week?

Considering that, did HE actually spend 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb? How do you answer my brother?

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Permalink Reply by lomaniau on February 29, 2012 at 12:33pm

LV,

   Bula vinaka nawekaqu totoka na veiwasei kei na vakatataro. Qo e dua na taro e dodonu me da na taroga na tamata tabu saka yani ka da vakatokai keda me da lotu vakarisito, me baleta na kena sa mai vakananumi tiko ni kua na siga ni mate me rua na siga ka rua na bogi na Turaga enai bulubulu. E matata nai Vola Tabu me baleta na nona siga tolu ka bogi tolu  na Turaga ena i bulubulu.

   Me da qai raica ni kua na kena tukuni se vakadewataki tiko ni mate o koya ena siga Vakaraubuka, Vakarauwai siga ni vakacecegu, Siga Tabu sa tucake tale. Oya nai vakadewa kei nai vakamacala sa vakayacori tu ena nona vei tutu ni vunau. Ia na taro me da na taroga,  E tolu na bogi se tolu na siga vinaka se sega???? Niu raica nai vakadewa oya, e dusia ga vei au ni ru ga na bogi ka rua na siga. Sa veicalati kei na veika e tukuna na Turaga....... Sega ni rawa ni cala nai Vola Tabu.  Me dina tikoga na Kalou ka me lasu na tamata kecega.

   Ia eda vakavinavinaka vakalevu vua na Kalou ena nona vosa ena SAME119, Na nomuni vosa ni vakamacalataki sa qai rarama mai. Nai sau ni nomuni taro nawekaqu e matata ka savasava mai nai vakadewa ga ena i Vola Tabu. Kevaka me da vakelia vakavinaka na Veiyalayalati makawa, e na dusimaki kedaru sara vakadodonu ena veika e mai yaco ena veiyalayalti vou me baleta na veika e ratou volana isaipeli, ka veidonui  vakavinaka saraga ni a  siga tolu ka bogi tolu  dina na Turaga ena i bulubulu...............

   Kalougata tiko nawekaqu

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Permalink Reply by VL on February 29, 2012 at 1:12pm

@ lomaniau,

Vinaka vakalevu brother. Vinaka vaka levu. Levu vei keda ni da wilika na tiki ni vola tabu e tolu ka'u biuta cake, sa sega ni rawa ni tu mada vakamalua me taroga se cava e yaco tiko kina na veicalati. Ko keda e da kila kece ni sega ni rawa vakadua ni lasu na Kalou se ko Jisu. E dua e cala tiko.

1. E rawa beka ni cala na kena mai vakadewataki e so na vosa vaka Iperiu kei na vosa vaka Kiriki ki na vosa vaka vavalagi?
2. E ra a vakayagataka tiko beka na Jiu e na gauna i Jisu na i vola ni vula vaka iceni kei na i vola ni vula ni vaka vakabauta vaka Pekani koya e da sa mai taurivaka tu oqo?

Au vakavinavinakataka na nomuni vakamacala oqo, emeni;

"Ia eda vakavinavinaka vakalevu vua na Kalou ena nona vosa ena SAME119, Na nomuni vosa ni vakamacalataki sa qai rarama mai. Nai sau ni nomuni taro nawekaqu e matata ka savasava mai nai vakadewa ga ena i Vola Tabu. Kevaka me da vakelia vakavinaka na Veiyalayalati makawa, e na dusimaki kedaru sara vakadodonu ena veika e mai yaco ena veiyalayalti vou me baleta na veika e ratou volana isaipeli, ka veidonui  vakavinaka saraga ni a  siga tolu ka bogi tolu  dina na Turaga ena i bulubulu..............."

E da kila vinaka e vei na vanua e na i vola tabu e vakatakarakarataka na nona mai mate na Gone Turaga ko Jisu, ka oqo e sa dodonu me da vakelia ga vakataki keda ka da raica na kena dina. Vinaka vakalevu brother. E vuqa vei keda na lotu va Karisito ni tarogi vei ira na taro oqo, e na dela ni nodra kidroa ni donu tiko ni vaka e a sega ni siga tolu ka bogi tolu ko Karisito e n i bulubulu e ra sa vuki tale ka vosavosa ca, dusi, ka ra rukaki koya tale e taro....lol...e dau lasa sara ga vei au na mataqali vukivuki vaka oqo, me vaka ko ni na raica sa yaco tiko vakalevu vei keda e da kaya ni da lotu va Karisito.....

Brother, rawa ni ko ni dusia mada vei keda taucoko na vei tiki ni vola tabu ko ni vosa kia e cake ko ya, kei na so beka tale na i vakamacala raraba me vaka e sa biuta e cake qoka ko Joe Bose me veivakararamataki e na vakanananu oqo?

Vinaka vakalevu na wekaqu.

God bless

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Permalink Reply by lomaniau on March 2, 2012 at 1:03pm

@VL,

   Bula vinaka nawekaqu vinaka nai vakamacala. Vosota ni bera tiko yani nai sau ni nomuni vakatataro.  Au na sauma na nomuni vakatataro mai na dina kei na savasava ni vosa ni Kalou.  Tukuna o Paula ni sai koya na Kalou e vakavuna nai Vola Tabu kecega, sa yaga oqo mei vakavuvuli, vunauca na ca, ia kina na veivakadodonutaki. Me vaka au sa vakaraitaka oti, nai sau ni noda vakatataro e tiko ga ena i Vola Tabu kevaka me da vakelia vakavinaka na veiyalayalati makawa.

   Au vakavinavinaka vua na Kalou ni dua na gauna au vakataroga ka vakelia nai ulutaga o ni biuta toka mai qo.  Tukuna na Kalou vakataki koya o Jisu ni na siga tolu ka bogi tolu ena i bulubulu, ia o keda se o o vuravura e qai cakava tiko me rua ga na siga ka rua na bogi. Sa dodonu kina me da na vakatataro ka vakekeli....  Maciu 13-12 Ni tu vua e dua na tamata e dua na ka, e na qai soli vakalevu vua. Ni tiko vei keda na yalo ni sasaga  kei na dina ni noda vakasaqaqara me da kila  na nona vosa, ena veisotavi na Kalou.

   Daru na tekivu mai nai Vakatekivu ena nona veibuli na Kalou.VAKATEKIVU. 1-5 A sa vakatoka na rarama na Kalou me siga, a sa vakatoka na butobuto me bogi. Ia na yakavi kei na mataka sa kena i matai ni siga. Eda raica ena tiki ni Vola Tabu qo,  ni tekivutaki e dua na siga, e tekivu ena yakavi. Ia e so ena taroga, qori e 12 ga na auwa.?? Donu vakavinaka. Ia e da kila ni 24 na auwa ena dua na siga. Kenai balebale ni se vo tale tiko e 12 na auwa..

    Kenai balebale mai na 6 na kaloko ena yakavi sa tekivu kina e dua na siga vou.  Yacova na 6 na kaloko ena mataka lailai, sa 12 na auwa, me salavata kei na Vakatekivu 1-5.Ia e se vo tiko e 12 na auwa. Io mai na 6 na kaloko ena mataka me yacova na 6 na kaloko ena yakavi, sa 12 na auwa  ka kenai soqoni taucoko e 24 auwa me qai taucoko e dua na siga.

     Dua na kenai vakaraitaki qo se vakamacala rawarawa de rawa ni da taura rawa, 6 na kaloko ena yakavi ni Moniti, sa tekivu e kea na siga Tusiti me lai yacova tale na yakavi ni Tusiti, sa vakarau me tekivu na siga Vukelulu. VUNAU NI SORO. 23-32. Ena siga ni Vakacecegu mo dou vakacegu kina, ia dou vakamalumalumutaki kemudou ena kenai kaciwa ni siga ni vula, ena yakavi mai na YAKAVI EDUA KA YACOVA NA YAKAVI E DUA. Matata nai Vola Tabu ni tekivutaki e dua na siga ena yakavi. Ia na veisau levu ga e mai yaco sai koya na kena sa mai tekivutaki e dua na siga ena 12 na kaloko ena bogi levu ka mai vakavuna tiko kina na veilecayaki. Au lai vakadinadinataka ena mua ni yabaki sa oti ena noqu gade i Jerusalemi. Na nodra siga tabu e tekivu ena 6 na kaloko ena yakavi ni siga vakaraubuka. Dua na Jiu taukei ni sitoa keirau veitalanoa tu ena nona sitoa ena mataka ni siga Lotulevu.  Au tarogi koya sara, nomu sitoa na dola ni mataka se sega (Vakaraubuka ).? Tukuna o koya io, e dola na sitoa ni mataka, 2 na kaloko sa sogo me vakavakarau na Sabbath. Au qai raica mai kea na nodra tekivutaka na Jiu e dua na siga, e tekivu ena yakavi me vaka ga e vosa kina na Kalou.

  Au vakabauta ni sa matata na i tekivu ni dua na siga. Daru toso sara. Daru raica mada na solevu e tukuna na Kalou me ra dau vakananuma na nona tamata na Jiu.

—VUNAU  NI SORO.23- 1.A  sa  vosa  vei Mosese  ko Jiova, ka  kaya. 2. Mo vosa  vei  ira  na Isireli,  ka kaya vei  ira,  na  SOLEVU I JIOVA,  dou  na  kacivaka  me I soqosoqo tabu,  ia  oqo  na  NOQU SOLEVU.

4, Oqo sa  solevu  I Jiova, io nai soqosoqo  tabu, dou na kacivaka  ena  kedra  VEIVULA.

VUNAU NI SORO 23.

—1. PASSOVER (KANA  VATA  NI LAKO SIVIA)  2. FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD ( KANA MADRAI  SEGA  NI VAKALEVENI.) 3. FIRST FRUIT ( SOLEVU  NI SEVU) 4. PENTECOST ( SOLEVU  NI  VEIWIKI) 5. FEAST OF TRUMPHET ( UVU  DAVUI) 6. DAY OF ATONEMENT. (SIGA  NI  VEIBULUTI.) 7. FEAST OF TABERNACLE.

 (SOLEVU  NI  VALE  TABA  NI KAU.)

—1. KANA VATA NI LAKO SIVIA.

—  LORDS PASSOVER

—  VUNAU NI SORO. 23-5.  Ena I ka 14 NI SIGA enai MATAI  NI VULA,  ena   yakavi,  ena  ia  na  lako  sivia  I  Jiova.

—2. MADRAI SEGA NI VAKA LEVENI.

— UNLEAVENED  BREAD.

  VUNAU NI SORO. 23-5. Ena I ka 15 NI SIGA ni VULA KOYA,  sa  na  ia   kina  na  soqoni  vei  Jiova   ni  kana  madrai  sa  sega  ni  vakaleveni.  E  7 na  siga  dou  kania  kina  na  madrai  sa  sega  ni  vakaleveni.7. Ena kenai matai ni siga dou ia kina e dua nai soqosoqo tabu, dou kakua ni cakava kina e dua na cakacaka vakavuravura

—3. SOLEVU NI SEVU.

—   FIRSTFRUITS

     VUNAU NI SORO. 23- 10. Oti e TOLU NA SIGA  mai na siga  ni kana  vata  ni  lako sivia

—4. SOLEVU NI VEIWIKI.

—FEAST   OF  WEEKS.

VUNAU NI SORO. 23-15. Oti na siga ni vakacecegu, dou  wilika  ME  7  SARA  NA  WIKI.

 16.  Dou  wilika  e 50 na bogi.

—5. SIGA ME UVU KINA NA DAVUI.

—BLOWING   OF   TRUMPET.

—VUNAU NI SORO. 23- 24. E na I MATAI NI SIGA ka  7 NI VULA.

— 6. SIGA NI VEIBULUTI.

— DAY  OF ATONEMENT.

— VUNAU NI SORO. 23- 27. A kena  I ka 10  TALEGA  NI  SIGA, ena  kena  I  ka 7 NI VULA  oqo.

—7. SO LEVU NI VALE TABA NI KAU.

— FEAST  OF  TABERNACLE

  VUNAU NI SORO. 23- 34. E na I ka 15 NI SIGA   ka  7 NI VULA.

—1.KANA VATA NI LAKO SIVIA                   

—2.MADRAI SEGA NI VAKALEVENI.       

—3.SOLEVU NI SEVU                               

—4. SOLEVU NI VEIWIKI. 

 Na 4 na solevu qo eda raica ni sa mai fullfilltaki ena gauna i Jisu. Na 4 na solevu qo e dusia  na mate, bulu, tucake tale kei na sovaraki ni Yalo Tabu. Koya kece qo sa mai yaco oti.  Na vo ni 3 e sebera ni yaco se me fullfilltaki. Ena qai yaco ena gauna sa lesu mai kina na  Turaga.                                                                

—5. SIGA UVU KINA NA DAVUI.        

—6. SIGA NI VEIBULUTI.                            

—7. SOLEVU NI VALE TABA NI KAU.    

     Ni da raica na solevu e tukuna na Kalou me ra  dau vakayacora, eda raica eke ni solia na Kalou na tiki ni siga kei na vula me vakayacori kina.  Daru na tara mada na i matai ni 4 na solevu, baleta qo e koto kina na  uto ni tukutuku kei nai sau ni nomuni vakatataro.

 

   Nai tukutuku se na veika e yaco ena nodra sereki na Isireli mai Ijipita, e veisotari se veidonui vinaka kei na veika e mai yaco vua na Turaga ena nona mai mate, bulu tucake tale.

 Veiyalayalati makawa- 14ni siga, Vakamatei na Lami,( Kana vata ni lako sivia). 

 Veiyalayalati vou,   - mate o Jisu.

 

 Veiyalayalati makawa 15  ni siga  Vakamatei na ulumatua ena vanua o Ijipita ka ra biubiu talega mai Ijipita(Madrai sega ni vakaleveni.Soqosoqo tabu, kua ni caka kina e dua na cakacaka. Sabbath) 

 Veiyalayalti vou,  -  Vakadavori enai bulubulu o Jisu 

 

 Veiyalayalati makawa-17 ni siga,  Vakamatei ena wasa damudamu na mataivalu i Fero (solevu ni sevu/ first fruit) Lako yani.14-27. Ni sa kida mai na mataka....

Veiyalayalati vou- TUCAKE TALE. Tucake o Jisu mai nai bulubulu. Luke. 24-1. Ena mataka caca....  

17 NI SIGA, Solevu ni sevu. Jisu nai sevu ni tucake tale mai na mate. KORINICA.15-20.Ia ka sa qai tucake tale mai na mate na Karisito, a sa yaco me kedrai SEVU era sa moce tu

   Oya na veika e yaco ena veiyalayalati makawa kei na veiyalayalati vou ka mai fullfilltaki ena gauna e mai bula kina vakatamata o Jisu.

   Io me da tara yani na veika e mai yaco ena veiyalayalati vou ka ratou volavola kina na tisaipeli. Au sa vakaraitaka oti ni tekivu ni dua na siga e tekivu ena yakavi. Kana vata ni lako sivia.  MARIKA 14-16,A rau sa vakarautaka na kakana ni lako sivia. 17. Ia ni sa YAKAVI mai, sa lako mai ko koya kei ira na lewe 12. Luke. 22-45. Lesu mai na masu, ratou moce na tisaipeli. MARIKA. 14-27. Dou na tarabe kecega  ena vukuqu ena BOGI e daidai. Eda raica na veika kece e yaco enai ka 14 ni siga, e tekivu ena yakavi na kana vata ni lako sivia,Ena bogi lai masu na Turaga, lesu mai e ratou moce na tisaipeli.

 

     Mataka lailai ni 14 ni siga, LUKE. 22-66. Ia ni sa SIGA NA VANUA.... a ra sa kauta vei Pailato. MARIKA 15-1. Ia ena MATAKA CACA era sa qai bose vata... Yakavi ni 14 ni siga, E mate, bulu. MARIKA. 15-42. Ia ni sa YAKAVI MAI ni sa siga vakarau, na siga sa tarava  na siga ni Vakacecegu. Qo nai matai ni siga ni kana madrai sega ni vakaleveni. E siga tabu talega.( Lesu tale ena vunau ni soro me baleta na solevu ni Kalou) MARIKA.15-46. A sa vakotora ena dua nai bulubulu vou.

 

   Bulu na Turaga ena yakavi ni Lotulevu 14 ni siga. Sa roro sara tiko mai nai ka 15 ni siga baleta e tekivu  ena yakavi e dua na siga vou. Vunau ni soro 23-6 Ena kenai ka 15 ni siga ni vula koya sa ia kina na soqoni vei Jiova ni kana madrai sega ni vakaleveni. 7. Dou ia kina e dua nai soqosoqo tabu, Dou kakua ni cakava kina e dua na CAKACAKA VAKAVURAVURA.

 

   Me qai mataka lailai ni Vakaraubuka 15 ni siga, sa BOGI DUA  oti na Turaga. Me qai lai kena yakavi sa roro mai na Vakarauwai(SABBATH) 16 ni siga, siga ni Vakacecegu. Mataka ni Vakarauwai 16 ni siga, sa BOGI RUA  oti na Turaga. Me qai kena yakavi sa roro mai na Siga Tabu /Matai ni siga ni wiki. Me qai mataka ni Siga Tabu/ Matai ni siga ni wiki,17 ni siga sa BOGI TOLU oti na Turaga. Fullfill taki na nona vosa me oti e bogi tolu e na qai tucake tale.

  (Kevaka mo na raica na vei tiki ni siga au vakaraitaka toka qori, e se tiki ni siga ga e tukuna na Kalou ena veiyalayalati makawa vei Mosese me dau vakayacori kina na solevu ni Kalou.)

 

  Oti na siga ni Vakacecegu/Sabath ena yakavi, 6 na kaloko. Sa rawa na cakacaka me vaka na i valavala ni vunau. MARIKA. 16-1. Ia ni sa oti na siga ni vakacecegu. e ratou lai voli waiwai na yalewa me ratou waraka na mataka lailai me ratou lai limuti koya. JONI.20-19. Ena matai ni siga ni wiki sa lako mai o Meri... Ena mataka caca... JONI.20-19.  Ena siga koya ena i matai ni siga ni wiki ni sa Yakavi mai. Meu tokaruataka tale, e da raica eke na kena tekivu e dua na siga, e tekivu tiko ena yakavi.

 

    Mo na qai raica na tiki ni siga e solia na Kalou ena veiyalayalati makawa me ra vakananuma se siga ni nodra solevu, kei na tekivu ni dua na siga eda raica ni veidonui vinaka kei na veika e yaco ena gauna i Jisu. Ka vakabibi na kena vakataucokotaki na MACIU 27-63. Me oti MADA E TOLU NA BOGI KAU NA QAI TUCAKE TALE.

 

      Au nuitaka ni sa rairai saumi beka na vakatataro. Kalougata tiko nawekaqu...

                              

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Permalink Reply by James M on February 29, 2012 at 3:21pm

 

 

VL,

 My point man in this argument would be Paul/Saul;

If Paul, an educated man of his time believed that Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days,then it must be so.

Because he was a convert and well educated,he must have must have critically analyzed the details of death and resurrection(including the 3 day) of Jesus before making the statement in 1st Corinthians 15:1-4:

  " Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 

  For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,.."

Anyway,personally i don't care how long He was dead,whats important to me is that He rose again.

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Permalink Reply by VL on February 29, 2012 at 9:20pm

@ James,

Thank you my brother, each to his own.

God Bless.

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Permalink Reply by J.T.Law on February 29, 2012 at 5:52pm

heres a couple of  questions you need to think about before answering the Discussed question;-

-How do you define Day?
-How do you define Night?
-Does the HEART OF THE EARTH means Tomb??
-Why did Jesus use the example of Jonah?

If you could answer those question correctly then you shall be able to answer the question as discussed on this thread...

vinaka.

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Permalink Reply by VL on February 29, 2012 at 9:01pm

@ J.T.Law,

Vinaka brother. Taro bibi e tarogi tiko e loma oqo, ka vuqa na tamata e na levu ga ni vakarorogo tu ga vei talatala kei na ka e kaya na i vakavuvuli ni soqosoqo lotu sa sega ni via vakarogoca vakatitobu na vosa ni Kalou.

Isaiah 8:20;To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Dua na leqa levu ni da sa mai ciqoma na i vakavuvuli vaka tamata ka da sa sega ni via ciqoma na dina kei na rarama ni vosa ni Kalou. Brother, na taro koya e tarogi tiko oqo ni ko ni na vakekeli vaka titobu ko na raica ni veimatalotu taucoko wili kina na lotu ni kavitu e da buturaka tu na NONA siga tabu dina na Kalou. Raica dua na quote se qai biuta cake ya o Joe Bose me baleta na nodra calendation principles na Jiu. Very interesting how the Jews calculated their days. Tovolea mo vakeli ratou mada na Karaites.

We read two things in the bible that Christ and Paul taught us about the Jews.

John 4:22;Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Romans 3:1-4;What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.

Rau tukuna toka vakamatata qori ko Jisu kei Paula ni na vu mai vei ira na Jiu na veivakabulai, ka ko Paula e tukuna ni ko ira e ra digitaki me ra maroroya na 'oracles of God' se na 'vosa' ni Kalou, ka sa i koya na i vola tabu e da taura wavoki toka qo e na noda dui vei siga tabu. Sa dodonu kina me da dau dikevi ira vakamata na Jiu, da kua ni da via vakabulia e levu tale na i vakamacala ka sega ni yavutaki e na dina ni vosa ni kalou ka ra a karona ka mareqeta mai na Jiu e na dua na taba gauna.

Sa dodonu me da vakataki ira mai Peria;

"And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. Acts 17:10-12

Me da vakekeli vakalevu brother. Sa voleka dina na siga ni lewa. Sa voleka na NONA lesu mai na Turaga!!! Me vaka na ka e kaya ko Paula;

1 Thess 5:1-6; But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Brother sa sega ni qai gauna ni moce qo, sa gauna me da yadra mai. Sa yawa na gauna ni noda vakabauta sa voleka na gauna ni noda vakabulai. E da na kila vakacava ni sa voleka na nona lesu mai na Turaga? Na parofisai e na tukuna vei kedaru taciqu. Ia dua talega na ka e na rawa ni tukuna vei kedaru ke daru kila na NONA calendar na Kalou.

Genesis 1:14-19;And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Brother, e tukuna vakamatata tu qori na Kalou na ka e donu me da vakayagataka me da kila kina na siga mai na bogi, na seasons (mo'ed-religious festivals), signs (which also includes the Sabbath-Ezekiel 20:12,20), kei na yabaki. Na i vola ni vula oqo e ra vakayagata tiko na Jiu me yacova mai na gauna i Karisito, ka'u vakavinavinaka vei brother Joe Bose e na nona lift taka mai na quote ya mai na internet to prove this exact point. Raica na rarama ya brother e duri tu kina na yalewa ni Revelation 12:1;

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"

What firmament did God set in the heavens? HE said it in Genesis 1:1-5, 14-19. Whatever God ordains will be forever. In Isaiah 66:23;And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Ke sa vakatakila vei kedaru na nodaru Kalou na nona i vola ni vula mai na i vakatekivu kei vuravura, the only next logical question is to ask whether we are using these calendar principles. When we ask ourselves, we find that we are using the Gregorian calendar instituted by Pope Gregory in 1582 to make uniform the observance of easter which we well know is a pagan day. If you care to research the origins of saturday you will find that it goes right back to Nimrod.

Na ka e vakadomobula kina na ka qo brother ni lotu ni kavitu e claim taka in accordance with Ezekiel 20:12,20 that the saturday sabbath is the seal of God. Yes the 7th day sabbath is the seal of God, but not the saturday 7th day sabbath created by the pope.

Brother, rarama qo sega ni rarama ni muri wale. It is just you and your God. Tukuna o Jisu;

John 14:15;If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Who will you follow, the pope, the devil and their calendar, or God and HIS calendar set from the Creation week?

Nomu na digidigi JT, nomu na galala brother.

But remember;

Revelation 22:10-15;And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Ecclesiastes 12:13,14; Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Dau rogorogo vinaka vei au na kena vaka viti na i karua ni tiki ni vola tabu e cake ga qoka;

Dauvunau 12:13-14, Tou rogoca na i tinitini ni ka kecega oqo. Mo rerevaka na Kalou ka muria na nona vunau, ni sa i koya ga oqo na i tavi taucoko ni tamata. Ni na lewa na cakacaka kecega na Kalou, kei na ka vuni kecega, se vinaka se ca.

Brother, na Kalou e sa tekivu vakalesuya ki na nona 'remnant' (Rev 12:17) na rarama ni nona calendar, and this light deals with time. Ask yourself, 'why time? Look at the sins in the world now, heed again the words of prophecy and listen to the words of Christ;

Luke 17:26-30;And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Brother, ni ko sa raica na vakasisila ni bula kei na kena sa tekivu yaco wavokiti vuravra tu qo na i valu, waluvu, veivakamatematei kei na i valavala ca e vuqa, what do you think will happen?

Matthew 24:32,33;Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Brother, nodaru i vakabula sa tukituki tu qori e na matada ni yaloda na tamata e da kaya ni da lotu va Karisito me da rai ga vua ka nuitaki koya duadua ga. Qai vakabibi sara ko keda e da kaya ni da 'remnant church.'

God Bless you JT. Vakaukauwa brother. Tu vaka tagane taciqu. Sa voleka na nodaru i vakabula. Maranatha!!!!!

Taro me da taroga brother, are we using God's calendar or whose calendar are we using?

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Permalink Reply by J.T.Law on March 1, 2012 at 12:10pm

let me provide some insight to the meaning of In The Heart of Earth

one must not conclude that the Heart of the Earth means Tomb. The is no passage in the Bible to support that.
To define Heart of the Earth, one must take the case of Jonah into context.

When Jonah was in the Belly of the Fish, who was in control the Fish or Jonah?...the Fish was...Jonah was taken whereever the fish goes...so he was helpless because he was a captive in the belly of the fish....

When Jesus said as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish or the whale, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, He wasn’t talking about the tomb or vault.  He was talking about the heart of the earth meaning the clutches of the world.

You see, every time the mob tried to destroy Jesus or stone Jesus or throw Him off a cliff through His whole Ministry, He was untouchable.  He walked right through their midst, He disappeared, He became invisible; they never were able to harm Him in any way because He was under His Father’s protection.  But in the Garden of Gethsemane Thursday night when He said quite specifically, ‘Now is the hour of darkness…’ then the mob came.  They tied Him up, they beat Him, and He began suffering for the sins of the world.

See He didn’t start suffering for the sins of the world when He was on the Cross and the nails pierced His flesh.  The suffering began in the Garden of Gethsemane, where He was taken from place to place and beaten and mobbed.  He went from Pilate to Herod and back to Pilate again.  He went from Caiaphas to Anna and back to Caiaphas and  – He was just drug all over the place during that period – and being mocked and whipped and thorns on His head and, He was suffering for the sins of the world.  He was a captive to the devil the same way Jonah went wherever the whale went.  See Jonah was a captive to the whale.  He was in that dark, hopeless environment for three days and three nights the same way that Jesus was in the clutches of the world, the clutches of the lost world, for three days and three nights.

When He prayed the third time, ‘Not my will, but Thy will be done’, and He said to His disciples you can sleep on because now is the hour of darkness – He made it very clear – this is the starting point.  The mob came.  He told Peter put away your sword; this is why I came into the world.  From Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night He was taking the penalty for our sins, which is punishment and death, not just death – punishment and death.  And He suffered and He died, starting Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday.  So that’s the crux of that misunderstanding.  It has nothing to do with the tomb.

i hope that shed some light into the discussion

vinaka.

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Permalink Reply by VL on March 1, 2012 at 2:46pm

@ JT,

Vinaka vakalevu brother. Dua noqu taro, was Jonah roaming around OUTSIDE the belly of the fish for 1 day, and then spent the other two days IN the belly of the fish?

You see, Christ in pointing to the the situation of Jonah was specifically referring the Pharisees to what actually happened with Jonah, to prove to them and to us that just as it was actually the case for Jonah, it will also be the case for HIM; and also to show to all and anyone that wishes to doubt that Christ IS the Son of God. That is the miracle for all to see. That HE died and rose from the grave just as HE prophesied HE would.

Matt 12:40;For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Strong's Concordance defines the word 'heart' as #2588  kardia  kar-dee'-ah prolonged from a primary kar (Latin cor, "heart"); the heart, i.e. (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle:--(+ broken-)heart(-ed).

The same book defines the earth as #1093  ge  ghay contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

In trying to reach a clearer understanding of what Christ meant in Matt 12:40 and what actually happened to HIM, we need to take that definition that exactly fit the facts of the matter, otherwise we are trying to twist the word of god to fit our preconceived ideas. We must bring our minds to the subjection of the word of God, not the other way around.

To take your argument, we must the ask ourselves, was Jonah in the mind of the fish for one day before he then was 'physically' in its belly for the other two days? We would have to ask the fish this question, wouldn't you agree? Therefore, we must logically conclude that Christ wanted to make a point to the Pharisees who wanted to doubt HIM and what HE claims. Again, HE wanted to point us to Jonah's situation because HE wants to make a point not only for the Pharisees, but for the whole world. Only Christ can do what HE did as ordained by God.

You see the problem lies in the fact that the bible says that Christ rose at dawn the morning of the first day. Even if you choose to use the Jewish reckoning of time, we will still be short by one night, since computation must begin from the evening of the preparation day, or the passover day, the 14th of Nisan. This is the problem that the whole of the Christian world stumbles to try to explain. But the explanation is simple if you go back to the root Greek Septuagint bible and do a word comparison and word study to find the problem.

Try to read the word studies I have uploaded and then come back and discuss further.

God Bless bro.

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