Are PEOPLE Innately GOOD??

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Permalink Reply by Sione on February 12, 2010 at 12:35am

We are innately good and primately bad. We are our own worst enemies and our own best friends. We cannot live together and we cannot live alone. We can fight for what is right and die for what is wrong. We want to explore the universe and we have the ability to blow up this planet. We have goodness in our hearts and hatred on our minds. We have goodness on our minds and hatred in our hearts. We are kind to our neighbours in times of need and in times of need we can steal from our neighbours.
That which I want to do I do not and that which I dont want to do I do.

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 2:45pm

Sione..SPOT ON my friend!!...And perhaps the belief that people are born with certain knowledge and that knowledge remains the same until we are taught differently, does that go the same with good and evil. Are we born evil and remain evil until someone teaches us otherwise, or are we good and remain good until taught otherwise? Come to think of IT...If we are born with sinful natures, then how can we be innocent? Original sin puts the desire in our minds/bodies/souls. It is something we cannot control; something we are born with. We are born with our desires no matter if they are good or bad. It is not something that we can learn, a person doesn't learn a certain tendency. Behaviors are learned, but the desire isn't so much learned in the same way. A behavior could be presented to a person, but that behavior can be rejected or accepted whereas the desire and tendency isn't. Our ideas of good and evil we are born with, and honed as we grow older through experience and learning. THANK U FOR YOUR RESPONSE...

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 2:51pm

Hi Armour..like the SMILIN profile photo!!...It just may go with the "original sin" idea. Since the fall of Adam and Eve, we are born with sinful natures and driven to satisfy those desires by any means necessary and sometimes we can curb that desire and see the good within. Many thanks !!!

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Permalink Reply by Sione on February 13, 2010 at 8:15pm

Malo Armour. Did you know that before the 'Apple' there was Adam and Eve and after the 'Apple' there was Adam and Evil? :) Happy Valentine's Day. :)

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Permalink Reply by Benza on February 12, 2010 at 3:46am

Thanks Mrs. Chandra..Holocaust was really a DAY'nightmare,kids stuffued in sacks for gas chambers' actually almost 1.5 million judes kids mudered from the 6 million jews on records,we forget that the 3rD Reich went after Roman 'Gyspies',JW,handicaps,mentally retarded,russian..Aryan race madness swept across Europe with special Nazi force moving with advance party just to erase jews; acaculated mild move since 1933 from Germany discomfort of the Jews sucess in everything they do.
"There is no gurantee that Jews will be next" is a quote from a known Jews scholar ..
"We learn from History that we learn nothing from history"

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 3:01pm

BENZA....Hi!!...All of history accustoms us to this way of thinking. Communists are evil; capitalists are good. Taliban are evil; bombings by unmanned American drones are good. We are the people of light; those whom we oppose are people of darkness.

Such simple slogans led Americans to wholeheartedly follow Ronald Reagan in his cold war against government and George W. Bush in his hot war against Saddam Hussein. In each case the slogans over simplified the problem and under simplified the solution. Reagan's free-market-is-good-and-government-is bad simple dichotomy led to runaway corporate greed and eventual collapse. Bush's concocted illusions about Iraq led to hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths. Such imagined simplicity keeps Fox News going, and Rush Limbaugh, and sometimes, Air America...lol!! It is that simplicity that lines up nearly 100% of Republicans against every Obama initiative and nearly 100% of liberals in favor of the public option in health care reform.

But the world is not, in reality, either this or that. It is not good or evil. It is not "for us or against us." No family quarrel is that clear. No global quarrel is that clear, not really. No simple path exists for Afghanistan, or for health care, or bringing down the oligarchies of extreme wealth. To see only two sides in a world that is essentially complex is to speak clearly, yes, but it is a clarity that is profoundly delusional.

Thank you for sharing yr thoughts...APPRECIATE IT!! ..By the way..it's Miss Chandra! Hve A Wonderful Weekend...

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Permalink Reply by Anamaria on February 12, 2010 at 9:36am

MAN ARE INNATELY GOOD....We were created in the image of God and were blessed by God we were given authority over the earth...but because of PRIDE because of GREED we than again choose to be evil or good. Satan works in the physical side and this is why men are easily tempted by what they see, by the pain they feel, by what is spoken but to succeed and remain good or return to the good you will have to walk into the unknown, hear the unheard, speak the unspoken, feel the unfelt, and believe in Thy Creator carrying a heart of LOVE....Nothing can intervene for Love[Jesus is Love] alone conquers all...Be obedient to the unspoken word...Serve GOD in Spirit and in Truth and you will find the way to salvation...returning to Gods Kingdom the way He created you....INNATELY GOOD.

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 3:06pm

Hello again ANAMARIA...Makes me wonder...history has presented Barack Obama with apparently irreconcilable contradictions between war and peace, rich and poor, oligarchy and democracy. It is his way of dealing with these contradictions makes him unusual. Rather than using democracy to gain victory over his enemies he seems to use enemies to build the processes of democracy.

In his speech in 2008 on race and in his Oslo speech on war and peace, Obama sought to reach beneath any formula of good versus evil and in so doing dignified the reality and complexity of a tragically violent real world. While all about him, on the airwaves and in the Congress, liberals on the one hand and conservatives on the other cry out for slogans of decision and sound bites of solidarity,... HERE is this fellow who refuses to play the game as it has been played for at least the last 30 years in American politics, and, perhaps in the larger sense, for the last 3,000 years.

Thank U & Happy Valentines...ANAMARIA!!

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Permalink Reply by Suliasi Daunitutu on February 12, 2010 at 3:28pm

A complex issue if we look from everyone's perspective. The truth still remains, that God has given everyone the choice to decide for himself his way, his behaviour and ultimately his destination.

As you have posted, you saw the tragically violent world and might have some solution in human kind trying to dilute, solve or make better an enviroment you see as tragic.

I think Obama is entitled to see things his way, and act according to his convictions. As for me. what we have is where we put ourselves in. The way out is to correct your faults - things that disagree with Biblical teachings or put another way, things that work against principle and moralilty.

If we can correct our faults first, then things will be easier to correct collectively.

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 3:42pm

Bula Suliasi!

ABSOLUTELY multi-complex to say the very least...Yes very much so when it comes to OBAMA.!! In Obama's search beneath the surface of history's struggles we see shades of the kindness of Dwight Eisenhower and sometimes the multiple purposes of his predecessors.... But here is a fellow with a wider reach than either of them. We have not had this kind of mind dealing with the real world since Abraham Lincoln. CHEERS to that!!

THANK U for the post...Hve a great evening!

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Permalink Reply by timaima diloi on February 12, 2010 at 1:13pm

Jeffrey R. Holland, “The Best Is Yet to Be,” Ensign, Jan 2010, 22–27

From a Brigham Young University devotional address given on January 13, 2009. For the full text of the address in English, visit http://speeches.byu.edu.

Look ahead and remember that faith is always pointed toward the future.



The start of a new year is the traditional time to take stock of our lives and see where we are going, measured against the backdrop of where we have been. I don’t want to talk about New Year’s resolutions, but I do want to talk about the past and the future, with an eye toward any time of transition and change in our lives—and those moments come virtually every day.

As a scriptural theme for this discussion, I have chosen Luke 17:32, where the Savior cautions, “Remember Lot’s wife.” What did He mean by such an enigmatic little phrase? To find out, we need to do as He suggested. Let’s recall who Lot’s wife was.

The story, of course, comes to us out of the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, when the Lord, having had as much as He could stand of the worst that men and women could do, told Lot and his family to flee because those cities were about to be destroyed. “Escape for thy life,” the Lord said. “Look not behind thee … ; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed” (Genesis 19:17; emphasis added).

With less than immediate obedience and more than a little negotiation, Lot and his family ultimately did leave town but just in the nick of time. The scriptures tell us what happened at daybreak the morning following their escape:

“The Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

“And he overthrew those cities” (Genesis 19:24–25).

My theme comes in the next verse. Surely, with the Lord’s counsel—“look not behind thee”—ringing clearly in her ears, Lot’s wife, the record says, “looked back,” and she was turned into a pillar of salt (see verse 26).

Just what did Lot’s wife do that was so wrong? As a student of history, I have thought about that and offer a partial answer. Apparently, what was wrong with Lot’s wife was that she wasn’t just looking back; in her heart she wanted to go back. It would appear that even before she was past the city limits, she was already missing what Sodom and Gomorrah had offered her. As Elder Neal A. Maxwell (1926–2004) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles once said, such people know they should have their primary residence in Zion, but they still hope to keep a summer cottage in Babylon.1

It is possible that Lot’s wife looked back with resentment toward the Lord for what He was asking her to leave behind. We certainly know that Laman and Lemuel were resentful when Lehi and his family were commanded to leave Jerusalem. So it isn’t just that she looked back; she looked back longingly. In short, her attachment to the past outweighed her confidence in the future. That, apparently, was at least part of her sin.

Faith Points to the Future
As a new year begins and we try to benefit from a proper view of what has gone before, I plead with you not to dwell on days now gone nor to yearn vainly for yesterdays, however good those yesterdays may have been. The past is to be learned from but not lived in. We look back to claim the embers from glowing experiences but not the ashes. And when we have learned what we need to learn and have brought with us the best that we have experienced, then we look ahead and remember that faith is always pointed toward the future. Faith always has to do with blessings and truths and events that will yet be efficacious in our lives.

So a more theological way to talk about Lot’s wife is to say that she did not have faith. She doubted the Lord’s ability to give her something better than she already had. Apparently, she thought that nothing that lay ahead could possibly be as good as what she was leaving behind.

To yearn to go back to a world that cannot be lived in now, to be perennially dissatisfied with present circumstances and have only dismal views of the future, and to miss the here and now and tomorrow because we are so trapped in the there and then and yesterday are some of the sins of Lot’s wife.

After the Apostle Paul reviewed the privileged and rewarding life of his early years—his birthright, education, and standing in the Jewish community—he says to the Philippians that all of that was “dung” compared to his conversion to Christianity. He says, and I paraphrase, “I have stopped rhapsodizing about ‘the good old days’ and now eagerly look toward the future ‘that I may apprehend that for which Christ apprehended me’” (see Philippians 3:7–12). Then come these verses:

“This one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

“I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 3:13–14).

No Lot’s wife here. No looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah here. Paul knows it is out there in the future, up ahead wherever heaven is taking us, that we will win “the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.”

Forgive and Forget
There is something in many of us that particularly fails to forgive and forget earlier mistakes in life—either our mistakes or the mistakes of others. It is not good. It is not Christian. It stands in terrible opposition to the grandeur and majesty of the Atonement of Christ. To be tied to earlier mistakes is the worst kind of wallowing in the past from which we are called to cease and desist.

I was told once of a young man who for many years was more or less the brunt of every joke in his school. He had some disadvantages, and it was easy for his peers to tease him. Later in his life he moved away. He eventually joined the army and had some successful experiences there in getting an education and generally stepping away from his past. Above all, as many in the military do, he discovered the beauty and majesty of the Church and became active and happy in it.

Then, after several years, he returned to the town of his youth. Most of his generation had moved on but not all. Apparently, when he returned quite successful and quite reborn, the same old mind-set that had existed before was still there, waiting for his return. To the people in his hometown, he was still just old “so-and-so”—you remember the guy who had the problem, the idiosyncrasy, the quirky nature, and did such and such. And wasn’t it all just hilarious?

Little by little this man’s Pauline effort to leave that which was behind and grasp the prize that God had laid before him was gradually diminished until he died about the way he had lived in his youth. He came full circle: again inactive and unhappy and the brunt of a new generation of jokes. Yet he had had that one bright, beautiful midlife moment when he had been able to rise above his past and truly see who he was and what he could become. Too bad, too sad that he was again to be surrounded by a whole batch of Lot’s wives, those who thought his past was more interesting than his future. They managed to rip out of his grasp that for which Christ had grasped him. And he died sad, though through little fault of his own.

That also happens in marriages and other relationships. I can’t tell you the number of couples I have counseled who, when they are deeply hurt or even just deeply stressed, reach farther and farther into the past to find yet a bigger brick to throw through the window “pain” of their marriage. When something is over and done with, when it has been repented of as fully as it can be repented of, when life has moved on as it should and a lot of other wonderfully good things have happened since then, it is not right to go back and open some ancient wound that the Son of God Himself died to heal.

Let people repent. Let people grow. Believe that people can change and improve. Is that faith? Yes! Is that hope? Yes! Is that charity? Yes! Above all, it is charity, the pure love of Christ. If something is buried in the past, leave it buried. Don’t keep going back with your little sand pail and beach shovel to dig it up, wave it around, and then throw it at someone, saying, “Hey! Do you remember this?” Splat!

Well, guess what? That is probably going to result in some ugly morsel being dug up out of your landfill with the reply, “Yeah, I remember it. Do you remember this?” Splat.

And soon enough everyone comes out of that exchange dirty and muddy and unhappy and hurt, when what our Father in Heaven pleads for is cleanliness and kindness and happiness and healing.

Such dwelling on past lives, including past mistakes, is just not right! It is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. In some ways it is worse than Lot’s wife because at least she destroyed only herself. In cases of marriage and family, wards and branches, apartments and neighborhoods, we can end up destroying so many others.

Perhaps at this beginning of a new year there is no greater requirement for us than to do as the Lord Himself said He does: “He who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more” (D&C 58:42).

The proviso, of course, is that repentance has to be sincere, but when it is and when honest effort is being made to progress, we are guilty of the greater sin if we keep remembering and recalling and rebashing someone with his or her earlier mistakes—and that someone might be ourselves. We can be so hard on ourselves—often much more so than on others!

Now, like the Anti-Nephi-Lehies of the Book of Mormon, bury your weapons of war and leave them buried (see Alma 24). Forgive and do that which is sometimes harder than to forgive: forget. And when it comes to mind again, forget it again.

The Best Is Yet to Be
You can remember just enough to avoid repeating the mistake, but then put the rest of it all on the dung heap Paul spoke of to the Philippians. Dismiss the destructive, and keep dismissing it until the beauty of the Atonement of Christ has revealed to you your bright future and the bright future of your family, your friends, and your neighbors. God doesn’t care nearly as much about where you have been as He does about where you are and, with His help, where you are willing to go. That is the thing Lot’s wife didn’t get—and neither did Laman and Lemuel and a host of others in the scriptures.

This is an important matter to consider at the start of a new year—and every day ought to be the start of a new year and a new life. Such is the wonder of faith, repentance, and the miracle of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The poet Robert Browning wrote:

Grow old along with me!
The best is yet to be,
The last of life, for which the first was made:
Our times are in his hand
Who saith, “A whole I planned,
Youth shows but half; trust God: see all, nor be afraid!”2


Some of you may wonder: Is there any future for me? What does a new year or a new semester, a new major or a new romance, a new job or a new home hold for me? Will I be safe? Will life be sound? Can I trust in the Lord and in the future? Or would it be better to look back, to go back, to stay in the past?

To all such of every generation, I call out, “Remember Lot’s wife.” Faith is for the future. Faith builds on the past but never longs to stay there. Faith trusts that God has great things in store for each of us and that Christ truly is the “high priest of good things to come” (Hebrews 9:11).

Keep your eyes on your dreams, however distant and far away. Live to see the miracles of repentance and forgiveness, of trust and divine love that will transform your life today, tomorrow, and forever. That is a New Year’s resolution I ask you to keep.

Learning from This Article
What lessons from the past can guide you in the future?

What blessings do you want to exercise faith to receive?

As Lot and his family left Jerusalem, Lot’s wife looked back and was turned to a pillar of salt for disobeying the Lord (see Genesis 19:26).

Photo illustrations by Matthew Reier; right: The Destruction of Sodom, by Paul Gustave Doré

Illustration by Paul Mann

Young Adults
Leaving the Past in the Past
Name withheld


“Leaving the Past in the Past,” Ensign, Jan. 2010, 25

When I was 16, I didn’t get along with my twin brother at all. We fought about everything. One day he humiliated me at school with an intensely critical and personal attack in front of a group of friends. His actions and hurtful words left me devastated in a way my teenage self could not bear. Even when our parents confronted him about the incident, he never said he was sorry. For years I held onto the pain.

He was still on his mission when I received my own mission call. I was preparing to enter the temple and began to reflect on my life to find where I needed to change to feel prepared to go to the temple. I realized that even though I didn’t often think about what my brother did, I still needed to forgive him.

My brother had hurt me more than anyone else, and I knew it wasn’t going to be easy to forgive him. So I prayed for help from Heavenly Father.

With His help, I decided to start writing my brother regularly on his mission. Before that, I’m sorry to admit, I hardly wrote him at all. Then I sent him a package. When I left on my mission, he came with my parents to the missionary training center and gave me a hug. He even wrote me a few times.

I know that even though it may take time, with Heavenly Father’s help, we can let the past remain in the past.

Illustration by Scott Greer

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Permalink Reply by Helen Chandra on February 12, 2010 at 3:17pm

Hi there Timaima,

I LOVE the future optimism outlook...and I would give not give up anything for FAITH!! Very INSIPRING post indeed...THANK U for your efforts.
Thought of sharin a bit of fun here!! A GOOD vs EVIL icebreaker (theme - Xmas & New Yrs Party one year)..Of course...all the Icebreaker Head Office staff were split into teams and challenged with dressing up as either Good or Evil.

In the Good corner we had a team dressed as Hell’s Angels, a S.W.A.T team, The Goodies, and the All Whites. On the Evil side we had a team of the living dead (Elvis’s), the Kubrick 8, the Spawn of Satin, and Movie Mayhem. Some of the costumes were very inventive!

What a night!

HVE A GUD ONE...Tke care! GOD BLESS!!!

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